I wish to leave guildwars wikia. I've remove as much as I could myself but unfortunately I cannot edit an archived talk page see here . Could you remove the my comment (the complete userbox section) or replace my username and avatar with something generic? And to prevent inception this post can also be deleted. I am very gratefull if you could help me with this.
The reason I'm leaving a message on your wall is to seek permission to use the introduction of this wiki's Manual of Style guide for the DragonVale wiki's MoS. Actually, a few community members from DragonVale wiki have been working on the MoS project and it was once suggested by a user to include an introduction similar to this wiki's MoS. I didn't want to just copy and paste it to DragonVale's wiki MoS, so I thought of informing a staff member here first. Looking forward to hearing from you!
That is actually Guildwiki's MoS and I'd suggest contacting them on the curse site of guildwiki dot org or finding the administrators on guild wars 2's official wiki and asking on their talk page to get their attention. Or leaving a message on their pages here and see if they'd respond. I do not think this Admin has yet to change everything over into fan fiction. Could be busy with real life.
Hi, I'd like to talk some about the future of this wiki, and I think it might be easiest to do that via chat. Are you on Skype at all? Or we could turn on chat for this wiki and use that? What do you think?
I haven't heard back from you on any of this in quite some time. I had troubles with skype, so I feel we may need to use this wiki's chat. I haven't been responsive either and I appologize. I had surgeries back in Nov. and Dec. of 2014 and finally getting back into things. Been a bit busy before then with a child and all. She's in first grade now. If you wish, we can also use gmail's hangouts or google+ or even facebook. Those are on my phone and easy to use.
Wow, that was a long time ago. I think we were talking about how to improve this wikia, and how to get the main guildwars.wikia back to being a real wikia about Guildwars - rather than the part-fanon part-vandalism state it's in now
I don't know if that's something you want to work on, or if you would rather just settle back into this site. Whatever suits you of course!
I prefer to change this one more into fan fiction. Hardly any visit anyway for the information, because it's really bad outdated and they have everything updated on their official wiki... Can't copy that one without a potential lawsuit, etc. Like we can keep the main gist of information, but have a different backstory - like a twist so to speak. I know my traveler is actually more accurate to how they envisioned it (I talked to them on that one on facebook). They are really interested and they do look for more. They love the ideas as well. :-D cause it's Not common and more rare.
I've been meaning to look again at this wikia for some time. What's being done here doesn't seem like fan fiction to me, it seems like pages altered to have false information that will confuse visitors. It also takes away a good resource for the Wikia community and makes it certain that it won't be revived.
I know those who forked liked this idea because of the lack of competition, but that is not a good argument from the point of view of the wikia community.
What should happen here is a start to updating and improving this wikia, not degrading it by trying to switch its function.
I also have to correct you on using the other wiki as a resource. There is no copyright on facts, so just getting data from there is no issue. And as the wiki is a fork from this one, it has to be under the same license. that means that as long as any text is attributed (for example by including a note in the history) it is perfectly permissible to copy from there
wiki.guildwars.com is not a fork from this one guildwiki.org is - it's also outdated. I know from the company, to use anything from the "offical" wiki is grounds that can be suied on. Just check out the two and you'll see the differences. There's no reason to have three.
The community just needs to follow those rules and not copy anything. That's better for this wiki anyway, it should develop its own identity, and grow with it's own style.
I don't agree that there is a problem with there being three wikis on the same topic, any more than there us a problem with there being more than one conventional site on a topic.
The real question I have is whether you are willing and able as admin to embrace the need for this wikia to be an accurate record of the game, or whether the wiki will have to wait for another admin to do that.
I do note again that there is a problem with three wikis on the same topic, because of copyrights from the other two... You cannot expect us to document and Not be accused of copying things from other wikis as there's MOST things you cannot reword differently three times and still get the same result without confusion, etc.
I am contacting the admins on the official wiki of their input, because they are the most active. I trust their opinion and their knowledge of the game wiki.
I do not understand how you seem to have the right to over turn what the majority of this community had wanted and ever since your chance to oasis - has already killed many of them. I cannot say I am the "only" one in this fan fiction, when most others who have edited - have done the same thing. It's clearly a supportive idea. I've seen other fan fiction wikis on here with no fuss.... If you've noticed, not hardly many are active on here. Nor even in the other two. The game? If you've ever played it here lately is barely functioning. I have been in the "top" ends of the alliances/guilds and can say it's not active like it use to be. I keep in touch with several of the big players in the game as well as the wiki, etc. As it is the only game i play. I've inquired the staff like on the Traveler - and I've actually been more accurate on his back story than the other wikis, because I study the behavior, etc. of these npcs. You're telling me that I cannot document this side of the game? That I cannot write as close as to how I think they'd feel or act as per the actual npc? that I have to be technical only instead? It's not misleading if the actual information is still there along with these small changes. There are things that don't need to be noted, because people don't care about them or as I've done, merged them into one and still keep the information. Allowing it to be compared to the others... So, I ask you. What are we "technically" doing wrong? That's a problem with you? I've consulted with the staff of Anet to let them know it's not making fun, but more character indept. I had gotten a response that I was asked for more of this, because this was a side they didn't have the right team members to develop more on - nor the type of time. Why you think they created guild wars 2 with more characterised stories and in depth to them?
I've clicked on the licensing link at the bottom of this page, but it leads nowhere. I do not know if this wikia runs under a compatible license. With that said, you can copy the spirit of the content on the other wiki (i.e. the basic information), but you cannot use things verbatim."
He wanted to post that, but was unable to without registering. He doesn't want to jump through hoops just to have an account and I don't blame him one bit. I hope this may help in some form. Maybe you'll try to understand now why we and anyone you'd try to get as admin to do whatever you want - cannot do exactly as you ask. I do know the guild wars teams do not play around when it comes to the majority of their items on their official wiki. I know of other sites that tried to mimic that got into trouble with their legal team. It's sad that you're not looking into that aspect.
As I said before, I am not encouraging anyone to copy from anywhere. I am suggesting people find 'facts from various sources to write original content. This exactly what any good wiki, on or off Wikia, does to build their resource. There are infinite ways to describe any facts, or we would have very few books in the world. As Greener said "you can copy the spirit of the content on the other wiki (i.e. the basic information), but you cannot use things verbatim."
I understand that you, and maybe even the general GuildWars community, may think three wikis is too many. But the Wikia community will have another perspective. If they want a wikia about GuildWars, then no outside votes are necessary. It is the Wikia community I serve, and I want to ensure that if they want the original content on this site, now or in the future, they have that choice.
I have to be blunt. If you think there is an audience for a fanon wiki (and why not) then you are welcome to make it. GuildwarsFanon.wikia.com looks to be available. But if you plan to continue to degrade this wikia with false information, then I ask you to remove your rights and move on.
I have been doing polls ... have you checked those results? ...
If you sincerely want to do what's best for this audience that likes guild wars and uses wikia... then I say do the polls, get results. See what the audience that pays attention wants. Not what you want for the gw community, but what the gw community wants?
I haven't really done much degrading tbh, more so putting it in a different view as per in game it's self and what I do see there. My traveler actually is the most accurate to what they actually had the core of the traveler to be. I was told by the dev that did him, how spot on i was and I'm told that this is nothing but false information? I try to keep accurate information, but reword things with the core facts still there - just a different tone, story to it. more so what i feel is the actual core story behind the scenes so to speak.
cause doing it technically - you cannot do it three ways really. I have and I know of more than 3 wikis but the other is de - besides the two english ones. There's quite possibly more than that of the information, but the thing I hate the most that I feel like IS Supported here - is Plagerism.
Why not ask the other admins their ideas?
Why not SEE what people want?? Instead of assuming! I just ask you not to make the people upset, mad, etc. I try to get opinions, because honestly Mendel started the fan fiction changes. I only did a few minor changes to fit close to the story behind the character and still tried to keep in the facts. If you have played the game, You'd see it. With Factions, people are trained as per their profession, same with the other campaigns. A WHOLE LOT similar to "kung fu" And to "master" that profession, that quest, challenge, etc. I recently a few weeks ago started a dervish and felt this very much again. That account has no advances, etc. have to cap skills, etc. to get effective builds that'd really work, but it is a challenge.
I seriously feel like the game is misunderstood by you all anyway to not understand. I'm not allowing just any fan fiction, but for people to take what they see in game and help put in missing puzzles that anet clearly leaves out. To make it more of the RP side that it has.
So, why? What do you know about the game to make you say what you say? what makes you think you can assume that we're trying to destroy a wiki, instead of improving on the sides that some do see! (I see this in facebook in a gw group) Many have had rp version guilds and many have taken in stride with heroes, to follow the tale to it's true glory of which is NOT Documented on the other wikis. But hell if we try it here - it's vandalism or false information. I seriously feel like this is more like, "we want this as it was."
Which if you really want to know, when you changed to oasis - you did kill some of the technical coding side of what was on this wiki that I HAD to FIX. And half of it is very horrible, you cannot read or see. A Lot i'd like to combine that don't need their own pages. A summary, but still with facts holding the same information. You don't need Details after details. I hardly know of anyone who reads things like that anyway. The only times people Read details after details is if it's a misssion, a challenge, or a vq. The Needed things.
So, I don't get where you're coming from with accusations, because I don't feel like I know of anyone outside of this actual community who's played the game. (besides those on official wiki, who have). As far as I know, with randomtime. I don't think nor saw anyone else wanting to step up to help make it better with mendel's destructive parts, which I'd LIKE to fix, such as the announcements... However, all of this apparently is "my fault". *sigh* I can't count how many times I've hoped others would help, that I'd get a response, feedback. Only way, I've managed? votes... I just feel like those are ignored and you can look in the history at the ones I did create in asking the future of the wiki. If I didn't care, You'd seen a wiki that's far more destroyed than the current condition that it's in. All I ask is that before you continue. You LOOK at the information before you - you also look into the game, into the rp side, etc. I had gotten the ideas from a few forums that while they did very similar to what i did, they too kept in factual information while providing the rp side of the game.
I just don't like hostility. I'm not trying to be mean, rude, hostile, but I'm seriously being as honest as I can be. I write pure fiction, but I post THAT on my blog, not here. And none of that is actually gw related. I look at what's provided before me, what I see with a ten year old game that in all honestly - not hardly many play. I'm surprised it's still going.
There's botting on the pvp side now... There's botting in the faction side.. there's scs but most of those stillll try to be elitists and prefer not to teach. It's a lot harder to try to get help, much less help new players. especially those who come to enjoy the rp and you know what?
I was told by a few new ones that it was my traveler post HERE that got them into the game... they could see what I wrote. they could understand the game a little bit bettter. I have been asked in game for more. But the reasoning that I hadn't continued, is only you all. I had in the past twice been asked by the devs for more, but why... I always worry, that you would do what you're doing and I'd be removed. There'd be no understanding...
I don't know how it is i can see this side, but I do. I guess it comes to the fact that I love story reading, I know what to pay attention to. I've done role playing games. watched in details on some things. I'm not really much of a technical person, but I could see the story side in things. I guess why I could enjoy things like 007 movies, star trek, star wars, dungeons n dragons, games movies, etc. None of the other games I can really get into... They don't have the story side like gw does. The noticable 2-d expressions on the characters face. The seemingly tone from each dialog written. The voices behind some of that of which you could read and hear. the actions involved. not the actual character battles, but to catch the silliness that they've placed themselves indirectly... How similar so much is to other genres, things, etc. i tried to read the stories of gw2, but it's nothing like this game. the continuation just doesn't have the feel imo as this does to me. I like the graphics in this one, because it doesn't look like wow. it looks imo more like you'd see with a headset on in a 3d world - a little similar to the sims.
Sure there's technical flaws, but you'd have that with any game. I don't know of a single wiki that's devoted to this side of the game. I did know of a forum that use to be...
I also know of a few things that I've found and others that people showed me - in parts of the game that not that many know about.
This for example
Love in pre - not many know of that location or the story behind it, because it's not "facts" it's not part of the playing side of the game. Yet it's there - like the seed i redid due to clear visual look, style, etc... this is also a visual with a story behind it...
Apart of the game. it's documentation yes, but it' s also not false information... It's also not actually the kind of documentation usually found in a game wiki, hence fiction - on account of so many different possibilites behind it....
There's a reference to rebel yell - it is of david bowie (rest his soul) and his song... yet so little is documented of the relation, etc. I touch it - It'd be "false information". One of the things I've done in game, even if i was an officer, leader of a guild, etc. (which I have been). is finding out information behind things... researching, paying attention to the detail that no doubt a lot miss... finding out that there's more to things than just a name and what they're used for... I like finding out what they're about , what they could resemble. get people to think, get people to go that is interesting! neat!
A goal of mine is to try to get players interested back into the game, to see what they missed, lost, etc. Because of me, several are doing this. some on their own and they've inspired others as well... The sides that I know that were once extremely popular won't be and never do last. That's the pvp, the farming of faction... I've found in getting my titles the second round - was what I describe... the details, etc. and suprisingly I went from 5 titles on up to 26 titles doing this, paying attention to storyline detail. learning what I've missed. Noticing things that I didn't see befoe. Admittedly, am intrigued on the repeats. x-D but I know that partly, it's due to the budget. other part is that well... there are areas that do look like other areas... Yet, have their own differences as well... npcs hidden out with stories of their own that many do in haste - screen shot to document the words later, but not really pay attention to detail as well. When I do a tour in one of the campaigns. there's a few spots that always amaze me. Some, i sitll try to figure out. Yes, I do still play the game. I love it. I'm really a PvEr. I've done some pvp, done some scs and taught the old styles in what I knew. I've done armor run for others. I've done and taught both faction scs, but only one remains with the elite areas being the main farming points as well. especially for one side that count on the elite, people vqing, botting, and pvping in an area. My only regret is my suggestion that's a lot similar to codex for pvp.
Not only do I love story, but this art always facinates me. I do get a little amusement still with the bags and all. I'd love to detail my theory behind it too. I'm quite sure I wouldn't be wrong, because of the information already in the game.
Just please, check on the polls. I don't cheat, I don't vote on my own polls >.<
Secondly, do you play the game to truly understand it?
Do you still want to continue with the false information? that I'm personally wanting to document a different side to the game that IS there? I'm not allowed to? Does it have to be exactly like the other two? which is imo still strongly implied??
There is nothing in what I have said that implies I want this wikia to copy from the others. I have said that clearly and repeatedly.
As I said, you are welcome to make a wikia specifically for the fanon you want to do. Which means you can use Special:Export/Import to take pages from here as you need. That wouldn't mean two GuildWars wikias on Wikia, because one would be fanon and one canon.
I'm afraid I don't look at polls. They are very easily manipulated and don't have the advantage of showing who is in favor of what. Obviously I would be more likely to listen to a genuine Wikia contributor that a denizen of another wiki. The latter have both a bias and a conflict of interest here they are not the people I am working for here.
But this particular issue is non-negotiable anyway. I am interested in the future potential community here, as well as any current members of the Wikia community that might want to edit. I'm willing to help you move your fanon to another wikia, but I'n not willing to let a situation that has already gone on waaay too long to continue going forward.
I'm not disallowing anyone to edit. have had more paticipation this way, which suprised me than not... I don't want it to be pure fanon (weird name). I want it to be documentation, but also with a bit of story behind it. Some that's on here. I'm not a fan of. I want to keep some content, but some can be combined to smaller pages that don't need a page of their own.
I prefer to keep to the Spirit of the game more than anything. I'd like to reveal that. I don't like the announcements one bit. Things that I did still do reflect the game and stil has original content and actually has helped out more with some than the others have. I'd like to be given a chance to show what I mean. Some things are removed, because they do not work.
Hey Sannse, you may not be aware of this but Guild Wars is a dead game. The only updates that still occur are to enable annual events that haven't changed in years. There is nothing left to add. Everyone has moved to Guild Wars 2 and the official wiki projects, and nobody who knows how poorly wikia treated the GuildWiki community will ever come back here. No matter what you do, guildwars@wikia has no future and no potential. You may as well let Ariyen do as she pleases and continue to leech ad money off the hard work we all put in years ago.
randomly dropping by (was trying to look for the original image of that bread avatar, thought it came from this wiki), dropping my two cents here:
What if the fanfic stuff all fall in an alternate namespace (I had that idea a LONG time ago, back in 2008 probably). Anything that is "false information" wouldn't be in the main namespace, preserving the integrety of the outdated fact on the game. The current editors of this wiki can still be actively involved in the fanfic namespace, and it can be heavily linked to from the main namespace, while any future wikia community members coming here to find/edit facts about the game will also be able to do so.
In a way, think of how Wookipedia has separated canon content from "Legends" content, but having both on the same wiki (though they used a subpage instead of a namespace to handle it).
I like that idea PanSola, but how would it be done? There are likely a lot of pages involved. And if we moved the affected pages into a new namespace, what would we do about the "holes" left behind?
Remember, mostly this isn't just new fanfic. it's fanon/fic based on actual content. In many cases, as I understand it, that means normal looking pages with incorrect information on them. Although some (or all?) have categories or templates to show they are not "in-universe"
I'm obviously not the person to really understand how much of the content is in-universe and how much isn't, but I'm definitely worried that the wiki is now damaged in terms of a resource for the Wikia-Guild Wars community
(also, good to see your name :) it's been a while!)
er, my reply got eaten... let me retype everything:
The way I see it, the fanon/fanfic content would be copy-pasted into the new namespace, leaving the history of the canon articles in the main namespace. Only case where entire article would get moved to the new namespace would be if it was an entirely made-up article. Thus there would be no holes left behind.
It would be about equal in difficulty compared to reparing the "damage" that has been done. More work, but same difficulty. And either way it would need the effort of people who are both interested in this specific wiki as well as knowledgable about the game.
"The fact that you are both trying to dissuade me suggests there are still people who still have an interest in the game." <- while I don't necessarily disagree with the conclusion, I don't think the facts lead to the conclusion. Old-timers like Felix could just be interested in this wiki, and could've lost interested in the game already. I know when I was still active here 10 years ago, I already noticed I spent way way more time on this wiki compared to actually playing the game. The reason I barely contributed to the official wiki (which the in-game help system references) and contributed mostly here probably was also a reflection that I was interested in this wiki way more than I was interested in the game.
I got em all. Thank you. Yea, most everything is broken. I'm just changing what I can, when I can to fan fiction and telling people where the documentation half is (guildwiki). We don't need 3 gw wikis documenting. It's a waste...